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Pressure was on the former to act. The latter was largely exempt. It was, he suggested, an arrangement designed to fail.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By the time Stern entered the Obama administration in 2009, he said he was determined not to repeat the cataclysm that followed the 1997 deal in Japan. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The US had signed the Kyoto Protocol only to see it dead on arrival in the divided Senate. “It’s of no use to anybody — not us, not other countries.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The collapse of the 2009 Copenhagen climate summit was an inflection point.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“It was unbelievable — the most dramatic, tumultuous and mind-bending COP of seven years. It was regarded by most people — definitely then and I think even today — as a complete failure.”</span>\r\n\r\n<p><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/todd-stern-paris/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-2622728 size-full\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Todd-Stern-Paris-1-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1949\" /></a> <em>Todd Stern in the French capital on Tuesday, 4 March 2025. (Photo: Tiara Walters)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Though chaotic, it had “chipped away” at the developed-developing country fault line, planting some of the seeds for Paris. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“It started to introduce the notion that you can actually do some important things even if it’s not legally binding,” he argued.</span>\r\n<h4><b>‘Completely electrifying for the whole climate world’</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By 2015, after two decades of climate clangers, Stern said he and his colleagues now knew the stakes. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“There was a real sense of need to have this work — for climate change and for multilateralism,” said Stern.</span>\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/25/us-china-joint-presidential-statement-climate-change\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The 2014 US-China climate deal</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> was a defining moment for him. Presidents Barack Obama and Xi Jinping stood shoulder by shoulder in Beijing’s Great Hall of the People to announce their countries’ emissions targets. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“John Kerry and I went [with Barack Obama] to China and met with Xi Jinping and everybody else to float this idea,” he recalled. “It had to be kept secret because we didn’t know for sure whether we would be able to go ahead until we saw what the Chinese target was. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“If the target had been weak, we couldn’t send President Obama up there to put his arm around Xi Jinping.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The outcome, he now felt, “was completely electrifying for the whole climate world … The two 800-pound gorillas who were always fighting, they just said, ‘We’re going to do this together.’”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The non-binding nature of those targets, Stern argued, avoided the pitfall that required full Senate approval.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He also credited France’s handling of the Paris negotiations as a diplomatic feat, led by then Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The French really know how to do diplomacy,” Stern remarked. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From pre-summit ministerial meetings to behind-the-scenes talks, France walked a tightrope while trying to ensure that countries felt heard, he observed.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The widely panned non-binding nature of the agreement, Stern admitted, was “not perfect”, but it was — he contended — a historic push in a better direction.</span>\r\n<h4><b>Stern’s victory under threat</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Flexibility may have been the agreement’s cornerstone — allowing nations to ramp up their ambitions over time. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But this aspect also makes it vulnerable to shifting winds, and the fate of climate policy that swings wildly with each US administration.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Biden administration rejoined the agreement in 2021 after Trump had pulled out of it. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Since, global cooperation is under historic fire — by US-China rivalry; Russia’s unprovoked, illegal, full-scale invasion of Ukraine; and, in 2025, US President Donald Trump’s executive order to exit from Paris once more.</span>\r\n<h4><b>Despite US ‘horror show’, South Africa must double down</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can Africa’s largest emitter — under pressure after the US withdrawal of $1-billion in energy transition finance and potentially other funding — be held to pre-Trump climate expectations? </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Responding to a question from Daily Maverick about USAID funding support, Stern said: “South Africa should do what it can on climate change and should not stop doing that because of other problems.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He conceded that what “President Trump is doing, by appearing to try to destroy USAID, which is the main foreign assistance agency in the US government, among many other things, is just abominable”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“There are no words for it. And people are, in South Africa and elsewhere, children and others, are dying around the world because the aid has been not just cut off, but abruptly cut off.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“And people who worked in the agency have been fired. It’s a kind of horror show. There’s nothing that I would express about those things other than contempt.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Stern stressed: “I don’t think that South Africa should step away on climate because these other bad things are happening…</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I would call out the outrage, but not translate that into climate change unless there’s a very good reason. 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Yet, he acknowledged the challenges of sustaining momentum. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Technological progress towards the green transition has been absolutely spectacular,” he said, but it is not enough to overcome the “biggest obstacle”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That obstacle “is generated by the fossil fuel industry and the political economy that comes from that”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Contesting that “is really about hearts and minds — whether that’s talking about presidents and prime ministers or it’s talking about citizens”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Many within grassroots civil society would argue that certain 800-pound gorillas lack Stern’s conditions for dissolving those obstacles.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the South Africa-hosted UN climate summit in Durban, 2011, US Youth advocate Abigail Borah unleashed a blistering tongue-lashing at Stern. 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It was regarded by most people — definitely then and I think even today — as a complete failure.”</span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2622728\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"2560\"]<a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/todd-stern-paris/\"><img class=\"wp-image-2622728 size-full\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Todd-Stern-Paris-1-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1949\" /></a> <em>Todd Stern in the French capital on Tuesday, 4 March 2025. (Photo: Tiara Walters)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Though chaotic, it had “chipped away” at the developed-developing country fault line, planting some of the seeds for Paris. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“It started to introduce the notion that you can actually do some important things even if it’s not legally binding,” he argued.</span>\r\n<h4><b>‘Completely electrifying for the whole climate world’</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By 2015, after two decades of climate clangers, Stern said he and his colleagues now knew the stakes. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“There was a real sense of need to have this work — for climate change and for multilateralism,” said Stern.</span>\r\n\r\n<a href=\"https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2015/09/25/us-china-joint-presidential-statement-climate-change\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The 2014 US-China climate deal</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> was a defining moment for him. Presidents Barack Obama and Xi Jinping stood shoulder by shoulder in Beijing’s Great Hall of the People to announce their countries’ emissions targets. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“John Kerry and I went [with Barack Obama] to China and met with Xi Jinping and everybody else to float this idea,” he recalled. “It had to be kept secret because we didn’t know for sure whether we would be able to go ahead until we saw what the Chinese target was. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“If the target had been weak, we couldn’t send President Obama up there to put his arm around Xi Jinping.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The outcome, he now felt, “was completely electrifying for the whole climate world … The two 800-pound gorillas who were always fighting, they just said, ‘We’re going to do this together.’”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The non-binding nature of those targets, Stern argued, avoided the pitfall that required full Senate approval.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He also credited France’s handling of the Paris negotiations as a diplomatic feat, led by then Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The French really know how to do diplomacy,” Stern remarked. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From pre-summit ministerial meetings to behind-the-scenes talks, France walked a tightrope while trying to ensure that countries felt heard, he observed.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The widely panned non-binding nature of the agreement, Stern admitted, was “not perfect”, but it was — he contended — a historic push in a better direction.</span>\r\n<h4><b>Stern’s victory under threat</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Flexibility may have been the agreement’s cornerstone — allowing nations to ramp up their ambitions over time. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But this aspect also makes it vulnerable to shifting winds, and the fate of climate policy that swings wildly with each US administration.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Biden administration rejoined the agreement in 2021 after Trump had pulled out of it. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Since, global cooperation is under historic fire — by US-China rivalry; Russia’s unprovoked, illegal, full-scale invasion of Ukraine; and, in 2025, US President Donald Trump’s executive order to exit from Paris once more.</span>\r\n<h4><b>Despite US ‘horror show’, South Africa must double down</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Can Africa’s largest emitter — under pressure after the US withdrawal of $1-billion in energy transition finance and potentially other funding — be held to pre-Trump climate expectations? </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Responding to a question from Daily Maverick about USAID funding support, Stern said: “South Africa should do what it can on climate change and should not stop doing that because of other problems.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He conceded that what “President Trump is doing, by appearing to try to destroy USAID, which is the main foreign assistance agency in the US government, among many other things, is just abominable”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“There are no words for it. And people are, in South Africa and elsewhere, children and others, are dying around the world because the aid has been not just cut off, but abruptly cut off.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“And people who worked in the agency have been fired. It’s a kind of horror show. There’s nothing that I would express about those things other than contempt.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Stern stressed: “I don’t think that South Africa should step away on climate because these other bad things are happening…</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I would call out the outrage, but not translate that into climate change unless there’s a very good reason. South Africa, as a leader in Africa, you don’t want to go there if you can avoid it.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On Wednesday, the US Supreme Court rejected the Trump administration’s attempt to freeze nearly $2-billion in foreign aid, but it was unclear when the funds would be released, the </span><a href=\"https://apnews.com/article/supreme-court-trump-usaid-foreign-billions-30b8bde0b16c0bd68f8b690f14923c50\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Associated Press reports</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">.</span>\r\n<h4><b>What’s next?</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Stern’s book reflects not only on “how it happened” and “why it matters”, but “what comes next”. Looking ahead to the COP30 climate summit in Brazil, Stern expressed equal parts hope and concern. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I’m extremely glad that Brazil is hosting,” he said. Yet, he acknowledged the challenges of sustaining momentum. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Technological progress towards the green transition has been absolutely spectacular,” he said, but it is not enough to overcome the “biggest obstacle”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That obstacle “is generated by the fossil fuel industry and the political economy that comes from that”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Contesting that “is really about hearts and minds — whether that’s talking about presidents and prime ministers or it’s talking about citizens”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Many within grassroots civil society would argue that certain 800-pound gorillas lack Stern’s conditions for dissolving those obstacles.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the South Africa-hosted UN climate summit in Durban, 2011, US Youth advocate Abigail Borah unleashed a blistering tongue-lashing at Stern. Stern’s performance there was the recipient of </span><a href=\"https://blog.ucsusa.org/alden-meyer/todd-sterns-not-so-excellent-day-in-durban/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">other criticism</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Citizens across the world are being held hostage by stillborn negotiations,” Borah shouted at a stony-faced Stern before being escorted from the plenary hall. </span>\r\n\r\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg88rf-5t4A\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But Paris wasn’t just a government deal, Stern persisted in Paris on Tuesday — it opened the door for local leaders, companies and activists to play a bigger role. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">For Stern, then, the question is not if Paris was a breakthrough, but if the world can build on it, especially in these straitened times.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A monumental decade on, that question refuses to die. </span><b>DM</b>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Todd Stern’s lecture and roundtable was hosted by the </span></i><a href=\"https://www.iddri.org/fr\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">IDDRI</span></i></a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, a Sciences Po climate think-tank. </span></i>\r\n\r\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REeWvTRUpMk",
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