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He was called on the second day of the hearings in July 2022.</span>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Read more in Daily Maverick:</span></i> <i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“</span></i><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-07-29-mpofu-fires-both-barrels-at-third-whistle-blower-in-mkhwebane-hearing-cross-examination-farce/\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dali Mpofu fires both barrels at third whistle-blower in Mkhwebane hearing cross-examination farce</span></i></a><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">”</span></i>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On Tuesday, as the inquiry resumed, Adv Nazreen Bawa, for the inquiry, questioned Mkhwebane’s witness, </span><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-01-30-zambian-public-protector-claims-sa-parliamentary-probe-into-busisiwe-mkhwebane-is-odd/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zambian public protector</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Caroline Zulu-Sokoni, who has been testifying since Monday on Mkhwebane’s behalf.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zulu-Sokoni agreed with Bawa that she was not an expert on South African constitutional law.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mpofu and Mkhwebane have called the current Zambian incumbent, who has occupied the position for almost 20 years, to set out a “context” for how the office of an Ombud or Public Protector should function, international principles and the importance of independence of the office. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>Visit </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/?utm_source=direct&utm_medium=in_article_link&utm_campaign=homepage\"><b><i>Daily Maverick’s</i></b><b> home page</b></a><b> for more news, analysis and investigations</b>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Both Mpofu and Zulu-Sokoni relied heavily on the Venice Principles, drawn up by the European Union, to sketch the landscape in which an Ombud functions and what conditions should be present.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Yes, I said the reason why I came to testify here after 18 years is because the institution of the Ombud in Africa has made great strides. It was important that I come here as well and contribute to ensure that the institution of Ombud continues to make progressive strides,” she replied.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Previously, Mpofu had suggested that Ebrahim was not an expert in “removal proceedings”. “Are you?” Bawa quizzed the Zambian Ombud on Tuesday.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“In removal, no. But where Ombuds are under threat, yes. I would consider myself an expert in Ombudsmanship… this would include any other issues that are incidental,” she replied.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zulu-Sokoni agreed with Bawa that she would not be able to provide the sort of evidence Ebrahim had provided to the committee as “he has studied constitutional law and is able to give an opinion”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She admitted that during her long tenure, she had only one “occasion” to look at Ombuds offices under threat, and this was as a member of the executive committee of the African Ombudsman and Mediators Association (AOMA) and the International Ombud Institute. Other than that, she had zero experience.</span>\r\n<h4><b>How did we get here?</b></h4>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zulu-Sokoni told the commission she had been mandated by AOMA (of which Mkhwebane is part of the executive) “to make a presentation before this parliamentary inquiry”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">AOMA members had also been invited as observers at the inquiry last year. Bawa asked how this had come about.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We had received a letter from the PP (Mkhwebane) requesting our intervention and this is why this matter came up at AOMA,” she replied.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She offered that, while Mkhwebane had not been at the meeting which had mandated Zulu-Sokoni to be present, “she was unhappy and she sought intervention of the AOMA”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The current inquiry, Bawa reminded Zulu-Sokoni, had gone through a process in law which resulted in the findings by an independent judicial panel that Mkhwebane had a case to answer over misconduct. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Asked whether she had read the panel’s report, the Zambian ombud replied that she had not.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She later admitted she had also not read the court judgments that formed the basis of the complaints against Mkhwebane. 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