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However, she often wondered how what was being taught connected with ordinary people and their day-to-day lives.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Looking back on her days at Rhodes, Phyllis says she found herself thinking: “None of what I studied and none of what I’m teaching is my life or what I’ve experienced in my life. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I said, there’s got to be a place where I can think, theorise and write about my own experiences in a meaningful way. 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So I knew I had to do something more.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Acting on her restlessness, in 2019 she applied for the position of co-director at The Forge, which at the time was still being set up in bustling Braamfontein, Johannesburg.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It’s described as “a space for the expression and discussion of ideas, for new encounters, and for the development of solidarities that embrace not only socially authorised intellectuals but also intellectuals in progressive popular organisations. 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Although you knew that there is the Sukwini homestead, the amaGcina homestead, there was a feeling that we are here together and we felt responsible for each other’s homesteads. We would all call each other to go fetch water or go chop wood and make sure everyone’s chickens were in their coop on time.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This is why the work she does excites her. She says the space attracts a cross-section of students, activists, researchers, political analysts and community organisers and facilitates dialogue and exchanges while offering an opportunity to build solidarity around issues like land reform and redistribution.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Talking about land reform discussions The Forge has held, Phyllis says that they brought together ordinary people who were experiencing issues, such as Abahlali baseMjondolo, people who have been illegally evicted as a result of land occupations, and activist lawyers who were able to explain the legal remedies available to them. It also provided a space for people to share their experience of forced removals and their journey to seek redress.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Phyllis says she draws inspiration from encountering people who are struggling and bear the brunt of social inequality but refuse to give up.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Growing up on a farm and having parents who were farmworkers, she has always had a personal interest in advocating for the rights of farmworkers, which led her to produce a documentary on the issue.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In an article written in </span><a href=\"https://www.foodformzansi.co.za/the-reality-is-that-farmworkers-die-with-nothing/\"><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Food for Mzansi</span></i></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, Phyllis said about the documentary: “It is my life story and it is a painful story. I can’t watch the documentary and not be emotionally charged. 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So I knew I had to do something more.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Acting on her restlessness, in 2019 she applied for the position of co-director at The Forge, which at the time was still being set up in bustling Braamfontein, Johannesburg.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It’s described as “a space for the expression and discussion of ideas, for new encounters, and for the development of solidarities that embrace not only socially authorised intellectuals but also intellectuals in progressive popular organisations. 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