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To say, better still, give us institutional independence so that we can make these decisions ourselves about matters that affect the operations of courts. Because in other countries, you do find that the judiciary is left to be able to make these decisions,” the judge said. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Asked about previous discussions on the matter, Zondo said that he had met with Ramaphosa </span><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-12-07-zondo-to-meet-ramaphosa-over-unacceptable-delays-in-creating-independent-judiciary/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">as planned after the 2023 Judges Conference</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. During the conference, Zondo had expressed frustration that the executive was dragging its feet in creating a fully independent judiciary.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We met on the 13th of December, and we had our preliminary discussions, which appeared to be very positive. I came out of that meeting very encouraged. We had agreed that we would have other meetings soon, but they never happened, despite my making a number of requests for us to continue with those meetings,” he said. </span>\r\n<blockquote><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As I leave office, I’m very disappointed with regard to those talks.</span></blockquote>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zondo added that incoming Chief Justice Mandisa Maya would have to continue the discussions. “As I leave office, I’m very disappointed with regard to those talks,” he said. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Asked what other avenues are available to the judiciary to force action from the executive, Zondo said judges could rely on public pressure. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“All you can do is tell the public what the problems are and let the public deal with them. Let the public raise these issues with the executive to say, why are you not giving the judiciary the power to do certain things? Why are you implementing these budget cuts on the courts? Because the courts are ending up with backlogs,” he said. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Asked whether the executive might be afraid of a fully independent judiciary, he said: “I don’t know about afraid, but certainly is no there’s no enthusiasm. 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In 2023, a similar case took place in the Constitutional Court of Zambia forcing the country’s parliament to amend legislation to allow the judiciary to decide on its own financial needs.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The principle of an independent judiciary is supported by the United Nations and in 2023, the UN’s Special Rapporteur on the independence of judges and lawyers, Margaret Satterthwaite, noted that courts across the world faced challenges to their independence. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Judicial independence is an issue of vital importance in the shared struggle for the realisation of human rights. It is a bedrock aspect of the right to a fair trial and essential to advance the full range of human rights. Properly understood, judicial independence is a key safeguard against rising authoritarianism and an indispensable element in ensuring justice systems are fit for purpose. 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