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"contents": "<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Diane Victor</span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is an <a href=\"https://www.instagram.com/diane.victor/?hl=en\">established South African artist</a> and lecturer, currently exhibiting solo at the University of the Free State. She has more than 33 years of solo exhibiting experience, locally and internationally.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This exhibition was preceded by the resounding success of her captivating exhibitions earlier this year at Spier Wine Farm in the Western Cape and at Strauss & Co in Johannesburg.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Bongo Mei:</strong> What inspired the piece </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Eight Marys</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Diane Victor:</strong> In 2004 I was invited by Hollard and Stevenson Gallery to create works for the exhibition </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Personal Affects: Power and Poetics in Contemporary South African Art</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. It [</span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Eight Marys</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">] was exhibited at the Cathedral of St John the Divine in 2004. This exhibition showcased a number of contemporary South African artists.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Two venues were selected and the artists were invited to view these spaces and create artworks for them. One was the Cathedral of St John the Divine on Amsterdam Avenue, Manhattan, and the other was the Museum for African Art (now known as The Africa Center) in Queens, New York.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">After viewing the spaces, I wanted to make a work that dealt with the secular, real-world living for the cathedral (and </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Eight Marys</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> were made for the cathedral), while I created </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Minder, Mater, Martyr</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> for the museum.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The drawings for </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Eight Marys</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> were done to depict an alternative imagined life for the Virgin Mary. A young unmarried woman who falls pregnant and in the context of what could have happened – what if she had an abortion and was angry? She was given a contemporary, alternative life. </span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">When these works were displayed at Spier in February 2023, it was the first time I’d seen them since making them in 2004. They were made as site-specific artworks for the cathedral – they fitted into the windows, four storeys up.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">At the end, as seen in the artwork, she is a frustrated old woman in a wheelchair, whose son was taken away from her.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The intention was for the viewer to think of that story from a real-life point of view as opposed to the idealised woman who cooks and cleans for her family.</span>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Minder, Mater, Martyr</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> are the depictions of St Sebastian, Christ and John the Baptist, but subverted and repositioned as female roles. They were displayed in the secular [section] at the Museum for African Art.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>BM:</strong> When it’s said that your work is dark, does that relate to the appearance or content of the artwork?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>DV:</strong> I would say that my work is socially critical, not necessarily dark. And free of subtlety. Having works that are shocking and free of subtlety, and have a sense of cynicism to them, is a conscious act and part of the context of my work – to make people think and consider and reimagine.</span>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1874222\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Bongo-Diane-Victor-2.jpg\" alt=\"Diane Victor\" width=\"720\" height=\"449\" /> <em>Diane Victor working on stone at Atelier le Grand Village. 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It also carries my gallant approach to adding humour in dealing with these heavy, critical subjects.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>BM:</strong> Is there a philosophical approach to your creative process?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>DV:</strong> I am quite emotive and responsive, and the work I make is generally “in response to” some situation and it is often that I respond intuitively in an attempt to mediate the anger in myself.</span>\r\n\r\n<b>Read more in Daily Maverick: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-06-05-dreams-and-dead-wood-artist-noria-mabasa-a-tireless-inspiration/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The art of dreams and dead wood – South Africa’s ‘living treasure’ Noria Mabasa still a tireless inspiration</span></a>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I draw images out of myself – things that I am frustrated by and angered by that I do not have the voice to speak out about. My drawing is my way of voicing my frustrations, angers and responses, and negotiating those feelings of self. It is a catharsis for me. For me, if someone is indifferent to my work, I have failed to be a visual communicator. </span>\r\n\r\n<strong>BM: </strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Better the Devil You Know</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> seems like a mythological interpretation. What motivated such visual expression?</span>\r\n\r\n<strong>DV: </strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Better the Devil You Know</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is a drawing that I made just before my kidney transplant. At that time I had spent a number of years trying to find a donor and this was a stressful time for me.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In an attempt to combat this stress, I dealt a lot with fear and the linking of fear to one’s reptilian brain. 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She has more than 33 years of solo exhibiting experience, locally and internationally.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This exhibition was preceded by the resounding success of her captivating exhibitions earlier this year at Spier Wine Farm in the Western Cape and at Strauss & Co in Johannesburg.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Bongo Mei:</strong> What inspired the piece </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Eight Marys</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Diane Victor:</strong> In 2004 I was invited by Hollard and Stevenson Gallery to create works for the exhibition </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Personal Affects: Power and Poetics in Contemporary South African Art</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">. 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It also carries my gallant approach to adding humour in dealing with these heavy, critical subjects.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>BM:</strong> Is there a philosophical approach to your creative process?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>DV:</strong> I am quite emotive and responsive, and the work I make is generally “in response to” some situation and it is often that I respond intuitively in an attempt to mediate the anger in myself.</span>\r\n\r\n<b>Read more in Daily Maverick: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-06-05-dreams-and-dead-wood-artist-noria-mabasa-a-tireless-inspiration/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The art of dreams and dead wood – South Africa’s ‘living treasure’ Noria Mabasa still a tireless inspiration</span></a>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I draw images out of myself – things that I am frustrated by and angered by that I do not have the voice to speak out about. My drawing is my way of voicing my frustrations, angers and responses, and negotiating those feelings of self. It is a catharsis for me. For me, if someone is indifferent to my work, I have failed to be a visual communicator. </span>\r\n\r\n<strong>BM: </strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Better the Devil You Know</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> seems like a mythological interpretation. What motivated such visual expression?</span>\r\n\r\n<strong>DV: </strong><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Better the Devil You Know</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is a drawing that I made just before my kidney transplant. At that time I had spent a number of years trying to find a donor and this was a stressful time for me.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In an attempt to combat this stress, I dealt a lot with fear and the linking of fear to one’s reptilian brain. 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What is the metaphor?</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>DV:</strong> </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Goat Who Led the Flock</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> is the middle panel of a triptych artwork. Certainly it is a metaphor, but it is part of a larger work that deals with religious iconography.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The first panel, </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Boy Who Cried Wolf</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, the second panel, </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Goat Who Led the Flock</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, and the third, </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Girl Who Caused all the Trouble</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, are religious iconographies.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Goat Who Led the Flock</span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, the goat and the child figure are based on John the Baptist. There is an artistry reference to a fairly well-known colonial painting of John the Baptist (the man who points the way). This panel in the triptych acts as the binding between the two iconographies (the Christ child and the Mary child).</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While all three panels are seen as children’s games, there is an inherent underlying violence that the religious story carries, and almost bestiality of what human life is. </span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">By subverting these religious icons into children, I change that narrative of the Divine. </span><b>DM</b>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This story first appeared in our weekly </span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Daily Maverick 168</span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> newspaper, which is available countrywide for R29.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<img class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-1875516\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/China.jpg\" alt=\"DM168 front oage\" width=\"720\" height=\"915\" />",
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