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"contents": "<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) stalled for about five minutes on Tuesday evening as evidence leaders put their heads together and whispered over “contradictory” evidence given by KwaZulu-Natal police commissioner Lieutenant-General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi and former defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, in their separate testimonies about the July riots. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi started giving evidence before the commission on Tuesday afternoon, flanked by Major-General Kevin James, the station commander at Chatsworth, and Major-General Phumelele Makoba, the province’s deputy commissioner. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi told evidence leaders Lloyd Lotz and Buang Jones that some of Mapisa-Nqakula’s evidence last week was pure fabrication. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He also revealed that while she was in the province to oversee military deployments during the unrest, the minister had stationed herself and her generals at the five-star Beverly Hills Hotel in Umhlanga Rocks. It was after Makoba expanded on this that Lotz and Jones leaned into each other and conferred, before Jones looked up and said: </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The legal team has noted some of the submissions and we are of the view that we will need some time to communicate a new date [for continued testimony] to the provincial commissioner… and we still need some of the documents that you have referred to, for example one of the things we are not aware of is the meetings at this five-star hotel. The testimony is in contradiction with what the former minister said.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Before he appeared in person to try and refute the allegations, Mkhwanazi had received a hammering during the commission’s ongoing investigations into the riots as various witnesses recalled how the police were largely absent during the unrest, with Mkhwanazi’s name mentioned on several occasions. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But it was Mapisa-Nqakula’s testimony last week that there was no cooperation from Mkhwanazi when the SANDF was needing direction on where to deploy in KZN, and that the province’s top cop was on paternity leave during the unrest, that set emotions aflutter. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And so it was that earlier on Tuesday, when National Commissioner Khehla Sitole was testifying, he was grilled by the evidence leader, advocate Smanga Sethene, about why he allowed one of his provincial commissioners to take paternity leave while “the country was burning”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Sitole did not give a coherent response to that or many other questions, but Mkhwanazi tried to take control of the allegations when presenting a timeline of how the violence unfolded, and added that by the time he had taken his leave the unrest was already over. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“On 18 July I had planned leave, my wife was going to be giving birth in Pretoria. 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She thus made sure that when she flew into the province, she was accompanied by two generals. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi said that when Mapisa-Nqakula, the then State Security Agency (SSA) minister Ayanda Dlodlo and Police Minister Bheki Cele had arrived in the province on 15 July, the chaos had ended. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“From there, there were operations under way to recover stolen goods, there were investigations taking place, identification of the deceased, there were no riots at the time. The majority of our military police came at that time. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Anyone who claims there were operations of stabilising the province from 15 July onwards will have to come and confirm, because we have been keeping records as SAPS.” </span>\r\n\r\n<p><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/jacob-zuma-protesters-burn-and-loot-a-truck-in-durban-3/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-1112915\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/KZNSAPScomm1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"405\" /></a> Firefighters try to extinguish a burning truck after it was burnt and looted during the pro-Zuma protests in the CBD on 11 July 2021 in Durban, South Africa. (Photo: Gallo Images / Volksblad / Mlungisi Louw)</p>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Police had been monitoring the situation in Nkandla since 4 July, prior to former president Jacob Zuma’s arrest on contempt of court charges, said Mkhwanazi. He agreed with Sitole that the protests at Zuma’s Nkandla homestead were well handled by police, but that there was no way of foreseeing the chaos that would ensue just days after Zuma was incarcerated. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The former minister of defence, who said there was a lack of cooperation with SAPS; we have it on record that we were running an operation as police alone from 4 July, but from 9 July, we experienced trucks being burnt and blockages [on the N3 in KZN]. We then had a meeting with all role players on 10 July, including the army. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“From 10 July, as we were communicating with the SANDF colonel, we told him which resources were needed. It is all on record. Perhaps the minister was not told. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“When we read the [former] minister’s statement, we realised she was informed by a chief of joint operations. [In her statement] she makes reference to a briefing in which says the SAPS are not cooperating and the military doesn’t know where to deploy. Surely it was not the colonel who was in the province with us at the time,” said Mkhwanazi. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He said that when he was granted leave, Deputy Provincial Commissioner Phumelele Makoba stood in. She would explain to the commission how things had unfolded since 19 July, said Mkhwanazi, before casually dropping the Beverly Hills hotel bombshell. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Said Makoba: “I started acting as provincial commissioner over the weekend of 17 and 18 July. Even before that we as SAPS had constant communications with the metro police, SANDF, and others. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I am not aware of any non-cooperation between SANDF and SAPS. I have on my phone – besides meetings – I have WhatsApp messages where I was directing the SANDF where to deploy. 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"description": "<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) stalled for about five minutes on Tuesday evening as evidence leaders put their heads together and whispered over “contradictory” evidence given by KwaZulu-Natal police commissioner Lieutenant-General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi and former defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, in their separate testimonies about the July riots. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi started giving evidence before the commission on Tuesday afternoon, flanked by Major-General Kevin James, the station commander at Chatsworth, and Major-General Phumelele Makoba, the province’s deputy commissioner. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi told evidence leaders Lloyd Lotz and Buang Jones that some of Mapisa-Nqakula’s evidence last week was pure fabrication. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He also revealed that while she was in the province to oversee military deployments during the unrest, the minister had stationed herself and her generals at the five-star Beverly Hills Hotel in Umhlanga Rocks. 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She was scheduled to go to hospital on 19 July. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“But when we realised that from 15 July [the unrest was over] and it would just be the recovery of goods, I felt [that I should] engage with the national commissioner and the minister of police. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“I said, ‘Minister, I should be allowed to go to Pretoria and assist my wife with her birth and come back.’ The minister and commissioner agreed. On 18 July I drove to Pretoria…. My wife gave birth, and when my baby was four days old, I put her and my wife in my vehicle and drove both just over 1,000 kilometres to my in-laws... outside KZN.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In her testimony last week, the former minister, now the Speaker of the National Assembly, told the commission: “When the defence force arrived [in KZN] there was no cooperation whatsoever from the people responsible here… the provincial commissioner.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She said that before the SANDF had landed in KZN, she had been informed that there was “a problem” with an SANDF colonel deployed to KZN to understand what was happening on the ground. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“He didn’t seem to be getting cooperation from the SAPS generals.” It could have been an “ego” thing, she said, as the SANDF deployee was not a general, and could have been viewed as not being on the same level as the SAPS generals. She thus made sure that when she flew into the province, she was accompanied by two generals. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi said that when Mapisa-Nqakula, the then State Security Agency (SSA) minister Ayanda Dlodlo and Police Minister Bheki Cele had arrived in the province on 15 July, the chaos had ended. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“From there, there were operations under way to recover stolen goods, there were investigations taking place, identification of the deceased, there were no riots at the time. The majority of our military police came at that time. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Anyone who claims there were operations of stabilising the province from 15 July onwards will have to come and confirm, because we have been keeping records as SAPS.” </span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_1112915\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"720\"]<a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/jacob-zuma-protesters-burn-and-loot-a-truck-in-durban-3/\"><img class=\"size-full wp-image-1112915\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/KZNSAPScomm1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"405\" /></a> Firefighters try to extinguish a burning truck after it was burnt and looted during the pro-Zuma protests in the CBD on 11 July 2021 in Durban, South Africa. (Photo: Gallo Images / Volksblad / Mlungisi Louw)[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Police had been monitoring the situation in Nkandla since 4 July, prior to former president Jacob Zuma’s arrest on contempt of court charges, said Mkhwanazi. He agreed with Sitole that the protests at Zuma’s Nkandla homestead were well handled by police, but that there was no way of foreseeing the chaos that would ensue just days after Zuma was incarcerated. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The former minister of defence, who said there was a lack of cooperation with SAPS; we have it on record that we were running an operation as police alone from 4 July, but from 9 July, we experienced trucks being burnt and blockages [on the N3 in KZN]. We then had a meeting with all role players on 10 July, including the army. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“From 10 July, as we were communicating with the SANDF colonel, we told him which resources were needed. It is all on record. Perhaps the minister was not told. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“When we read the [former] minister’s statement, we realised she was informed by a chief of joint operations. [In her statement] she makes reference to a briefing in which says the SAPS are not cooperating and the military doesn’t know where to deploy. Surely it was not the colonel who was in the province with us at the time,” said Mkhwanazi. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He said that when he was granted leave, Deputy Provincial Commissioner Phumelele Makoba stood in. She would explain to the commission how things had unfolded since 19 July, said Mkhwanazi, before casually dropping the Beverly Hills hotel bombshell. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Said Makoba: “I started acting as provincial commissioner over the weekend of 17 and 18 July. 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They were coming to my office, we were having meetings. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We had a good working relationship until the weekend of 18 July when I was told there were generals being deployed by SANDF.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A meeting of the SANDF brass took place at the Beverly Hills hotel, to which she “was not invited”, said Makoba, but she and other SAPS members “went there” nevertheless and were “welcomed” by the generals. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We discussed our issues, where the threats were, where we needed them to deploy and relieve us from national key points. On Sunday evening about 9pm, we were introduced by the generals to the former minister of defence and the minister of the SSA... in one of the boardrooms at the Beverly Hills. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We then had a follow-up meeting on Monday at 7am. Then the minister of police joined, and [thereafter] we had daily meetings at the provincial police headquarters [in Durban] on the 17</span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">th</span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> floor.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Earlier, Mkhwanazi prefaced his timeline of the SAPS’s actions in KZN during the looting by stating that in May, his Public Order Policing officers responded to 219 protests – mostly related to service delivery. By June, 268 crowd management incidents had taken place, he said, with “similar things” happening in July. “So the unit was already occupied.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It was only on 14 July, he said, towards the tail-end of the riots that 451 members of the SANDF arrived in KZN. On 15 July, that number “started increasing” and “we eventually had up to 5,000 members of SANDF”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mkhwanazi was also finally able to give the number of those in the province who died as a result of the unrest. The SAPS in KZN had recorded 281 deaths, he said. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“People ended up fighting over a bottle of whisky, stabbed each other, others were trampled upon and died because of stampedes, others were driven over by cars on roads as they were crossing.” </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Asked if he agreed with previous witnesses that the unrest had been planned, Mkhwanazi responded: “We don’t know if it was planned. However, the gathering at Nkandla [to protest Zuma’s impending arrest] was influenced by what people had seen in the media. 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