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"contents": "<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The space is small, filled with light and the warmth of summer streaming through long windows. On one side, books, notebooks, sketches and paintings are thoughtfully scattered, while photographs and pages seem to converse with each other; it looks like a lively family gathering. </span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And in many ways, it is a family gathering. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On the wall, a text is pinned that reads: </span>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These People Raised Me\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people taught me about the cosmos, about God and the good, giving Earth.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me patience and to observe more than speak.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me what self-discipline looks like.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I learnt curiosity, creativity and resilience can take you far.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people’s blood runs through my veins.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Their legs are mine, their brown bodies mine too.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The grey sprouting through my black, curly hair is theirs as well.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me Sa Ra Ga Ma.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Drew with me on Sunday afternoons. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They took me to the movies on Saturday mornings and down to the studio to sit for a family snap.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They showed me patience, kindness and manners is how you build character.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dressing immaculately with freshly pressed shirts, polished, shiny shoes and folded handkerchiefs were a mark of a gentleman.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to pickle veggies and oil rice, to plant a food garden and make things.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To use my hands and my mind, that creativity is a gift and perseverance a tool.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to swim in rockpools with anemones and zebrafish,\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to eat breyani on the beach on Easter Sunday.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to climb mango trees, pawpaw trees and to eat the fruit whilst sitting in a loquat tree with my cousins.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They showed me that Diwali was fireworks, new dresses and sweetmeats.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christmas was cards with kittens, presents, watermelon and litchi feasting on the beach.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to sit patiently at the Sungum on a Sunday morning whilst my grandfather played his harmonium and to listen to his brother talk about the laws of the universe, about karma and rebirth. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to move fluidly between my Indian ethnicity and my African nationality,\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to embrace my English books as education would one day be my saviour. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to think for myself and to be vocal when it matters.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people raised me and this is me.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626041\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Kassie-Naidoo-leans-in-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Kassie Naidoo\" width=\"2560\" height=\"2105\" /> <em>Kassie Naidoo in front of her exhibition, These People Raised Me. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is the end of February, during the Investec Cape Town Art Fair, and artist Kassie Naidoo is showcasing at </span><a href=\"https://www.reservoirprojects.com/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Reservoir Gallery</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, her deeply personal work-in-progress, These People Raised Me, an ode to her ancestors, but much more than that.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Naidoo, a self-proclaimed “creative thinker, tinkerer and artist”, is also the creative force behind the aesthetic of DM168, Daily Maverick’s own newspaper. Naidoo’s experience spans roles as art director in women’s magazines, branding, design, advertising and social impact before she ventured into the world of art.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She explains that These People Raised Me was inspired by a 2016 family gathering in Durban, where one of her aunts handed each of them a copy of their grandfather’s shipslist. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“It’s a record of an Indenture Indian, with his/her indenture number and details like name, age, gender, caste, etc the British kept of every Indian sent to the colonies from 1834 to 1920. For me, it was something physical that connected me to my past,” she says. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In 2022, she took a sabbatical to dive deeper, determined to use the shipslist as a starting point in her quest to discover her true identity, an exploration to weave together the rich tapestry of her African roots and Indian ancestry.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The title, These People Raised Me, started “with a simple question, which had initially formed many years ago when I was in my garden one Joburg summer afternoon. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“How did I do what I did with my life when only a few generations before my grandparents were factory workers, porters, waiters? Over the last two years my process of fumbling my way through research, conversations, memories and photographs, my intuition, sheer luck and being able to bounce my thoughts on friends and family (mostly feels like my ancestors) led me to the working title ‘Thread’”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Daily Maverick spoke to Naidoo about her creative process.</span>\r\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><b>***</b></p>\r\n<b>Daily Maverick: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your work beautifully weaves together ancestry, memory and identity. What was the moment or realisation that led you to embark on this project?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>Kassie Naidoo:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Two things actually – where did my creativity come from and where and why diabetes? I was not looking for the typical nature versus nurture narrative but something deeper, cellular, intuitive. In retrospect, it is how artists work. This was a different approach for me from what I’d done for decades, finding a creative way to solve a marketing or business challenge. It meant stretching…</span>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626050\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Township-Thatha-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1913\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>CN Naidoo or affectionately called Township Thatha by the grandchildren. A factory worker, waiter, cook and entrepreneur out of necessity. A pastry chef, sweet maker and most passionately, a musician in his spare time. He played the harmonium and was the lead singer of his band, called City Orchestra. All their vinyls were destroyed in the days of apartheid as the songs in Telugu were held in suspicion for stirring up emotions and possibly seeding ideas of liberation. Collage, thread and hand-screened on paper. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626049\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Town-Ava-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>The Strandloper: Naidoo or Town Ava. The hustle was real for my maternal great-grandmother, who raised more than 12 children, which meant doing what it took to put food on the table, from cooking lunch meals for courthouse staff to peddling handmade frames from shells picked up on the beach. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In your write-up, you speak of being “raised to move fluidly between your Indian ethnicity and African nationality”. How has this duality shaped your artistic voice? </span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Durban in the 1970s and 80s meant growing up during apartheid so we were all being raised within entire suburbs of people just like ourselves. My Indian culture and traditions, like Diwali and Eid, Bollywood movies, clothes and community ecosystem gave me a sense of identity and belonging. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nearly every home had a copy of </span><a href=\"https://ahkhanwholesale.co.za/products/indian-delights?variant=43545320882418&country=ZA&currency=ZAR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2021-02-18&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlbW-BhCMARIsADnwasoJiSonNUFS8ofS_Wgiy0yNwqJYkExD2UogaOFdZzagHWO47AwPBqEaAkaiEALw_wcB\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zuleikha Mayat’s Indian Delights</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> so nearly all of us had tasted her sweetmeats, curries and samosas through her recipes our mothers and aunts followed, it connected us all. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I belonged not just to my parents but to all who fed me, scolded me or put a plaster on my grazed elbow. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My mother spoke isiZulu, having learnt it as a child from her nanny, Anna, whom she loved dearly, so as a child I heard all the gossip from the neighbouring township of Umlazi carried to my mother by the mielies and nuts makotis my mum enticed to linger longer at our kitchen door with a cup of tea and a chat. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the evenings, I stood at the far end of our front garden, greeting everyone who walked by, especially the isiZulu and Indian men walking by after a long day’s work, with “Sawubona Baba” and “Namaste Nana”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was enthralled by the textures and tailoring of their clothes, elongated earlobes, beading and goat fur bangles, rubber sandals, suits and hats. For me it was this wonderful cultural borrowing and intermingling of cultures through food, music and stories. </span>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626047\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/The-Seamstress-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1926\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>‘My paternal grandmother showing my creative process.’ (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626045\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Research-process-and-illustration-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" /> <em>Research process. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your work feels like a deeply intimate act of remembrance. What was the most emotional part of creating this project? </span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> When I started my sabbatical, I embarked on a journey of understanding the wider context of how my ancestors got to these shores. I knew that I am a descendant of Indian Indenture, a fourth- or fifth-generation South African of Indian ethnicity, but I had so much to learn about the British empire’s post-slavery solution to cheap labour in global colonies from 1834 to 1920. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More than 1.6 million Indians crossed the oceans to serve out contracts in more than 21 colonies, South Africa being one of them. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I made a realisation that my ancestors had endured invasions, colonisation, famines, dehumanising treatment and apartheid. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The struggles of the South African Indian through my research in Durban’s museums, bookshops and archives led me to ask my living relatives about their stories. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I trolled through photo albums and newspaper cuttings that some had kept, and through piecing together these threads I discovered parts of myself, I recognised myself and started to understand that we are not just blood and bones. We carry within us cellular memory, trauma triggers, inherited genius and personality traits are not just ours but that of the collective too. </span>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626043\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Quick-sketch-indenture-man-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A quick pencil and watercolour sketch I did during my research process while paging through a book. I wondered who he was and what may have become of him. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626042\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lace-and-sequins-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A close-up of my great-grandmother. Looking at her clothes, I assume she was a widow when the photograph was taken, as she is wearing all white. I wanted to add some glamour to her outfit, so I added a lace and sequined skirt. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ancestry can be both a source of strength and weight. Did working on this project shift the way you see your own place in your family’s lineage?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely. My internal narrative changed so many times through this process over time. The “Man̄ci Biḍḍa” (good child) piece in particular carries both the strength and weight of what has defined me and my life in ways unknown until I marked on that piece. It was a term of endearment my maternal grandmother used in reference to me. The burden of being good in every decision, action and thought. This was not just an acknowledgment of my inherent goodness but a socialising of my future behaviour. A good child listens and does not defy the social structure of the family and community. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If your ancestors could see this project, what do you hope they would feel or say?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I hope they would feel seen, their stories told, even if only in fragments from fading memories and dusty photographs embellished by imagination and creative licence. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I hope they feel that somehow for future generations I’ve attempted to bring them back, make their existence material. They were once people with dreams, desires, challenges, disappointments and heartbreak, but their descendants also loved and respected them. I exist because of them and I am grateful for having been raised by them. </span>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626040\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/detail-of-research-process-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>From Left: Vasun (aunt), Vijarl (aunt), Sushilla (mother) Naidoo, Radha Katharoyan (aunt) and Peggie (maternal cousin). 1982 (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626039\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Detail-of-Manci-Bidda-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1834\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A close-up of the piece, Man̄ci Biḍḍa, showing the beading, embroidery and hand-painted words on a cotton dhoti with my maternal grandmother’s face printed onto the fabric. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626035\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/22Good-Child22-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1580\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>‘Man̄ci biḍḍa’ was a term of endearment my maternal grandmother used. A Telugu phrase meaning ‘good child’. Did I learn this at my aya’s knee, on her hip or while she combed my waist-length hair? Was it a description or a suggestion? Handpainted, beaded and embroidered onto a cotton ‘dhothi’ in Telugu script. The bottom sari was hand-embroidered by my grandmother about five decades ago, making the installation a collaborative one from beyond. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" class=\"size-full wp-image-2626037\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Creative-Process-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>An image transfer of my maternal grandfather (top), his father’s shipslist. Bottom right: My maternal great-grandparents. Bottom left: My grandfather and his band. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em></p>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which living person do you most admire?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In my family, I’d say my aunts (my mother’s sisters) who shaped a major part of my early life – each one of them has given me gifts. My oldest aunt taught me about being a leader, the second one about being philosophical and kind; my youngest aunt, who I’m still quite close to, that having an open mind, a joyful attitude and listening to great music can keep you forever young. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What is a trait you inherited from your ancestors that you are most proud of?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A stubborn determination to do the right thing when all around me there may be dissenting voices. Sometimes that defiance is silence, other times it roars, sometimes it’s coming forward to lead with grace and integrity. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you could have a conversation with any historical figure from your ancestry, who would it be and what would you ask them?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think I would like to sit in a circle on the earth and speak with many of them. I’d love to hear their stories, their moments of weakness, of love and loss, their fears and their deepest secrets. Did they pray for their children and their children’s children? Am I okay and was all that raising from generation to generation bearing fruit? </span><b>DM</b>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This interview has been edited for clarity and publication.</span></i>",
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On one side, books, notebooks, sketches and paintings are thoughtfully scattered, while photographs and pages seem to converse with each other; it looks like a lively family gathering. </span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And in many ways, it is a family gathering. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">On the wall, a text is pinned that reads: </span>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These People Raised Me\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people taught me about the cosmos, about God and the good, giving Earth.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me patience and to observe more than speak.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me what self-discipline looks like.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I learnt curiosity, creativity and resilience can take you far.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people’s blood runs through my veins.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Their legs are mine, their brown bodies mine too.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The grey sprouting through my black, curly hair is theirs as well.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me Sa Ra Ga Ma.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Drew with me on Sunday afternoons. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They took me to the movies on Saturday mornings and down to the studio to sit for a family snap.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They showed me patience, kindness and manners is how you build character.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dressing immaculately with freshly pressed shirts, polished, shiny shoes and folded handkerchiefs were a mark of a gentleman.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to pickle veggies and oil rice, to plant a food garden and make things.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">To use my hands and my mind, that creativity is a gift and perseverance a tool.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to swim in rockpools with anemones and zebrafish,\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to eat breyani on the beach on Easter Sunday.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They raised me to climb mango trees, pawpaw trees and to eat the fruit whilst sitting in a loquat tree with my cousins.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They showed me that Diwali was fireworks, new dresses and sweetmeats.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Christmas was cards with kittens, presents, watermelon and litchi feasting on the beach.</span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to sit patiently at the Sungum on a Sunday morning whilst my grandfather played his harmonium and to listen to his brother talk about the laws of the universe, about karma and rebirth. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to move fluidly between my Indian ethnicity and my African nationality,\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">to embrace my English books as education would one day be my saviour. </span></i>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They taught me to think for myself and to be vocal when it matters.\r\n</span></i><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">These people raised me and this is me.</span></i>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626041\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"2560\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626041\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Kassie-Naidoo-leans-in-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"Kassie Naidoo\" width=\"2560\" height=\"2105\" /> <em>Kassie Naidoo in front of her exhibition, These People Raised Me. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It is the end of February, during the Investec Cape Town Art Fair, and artist Kassie Naidoo is showcasing at </span><a href=\"https://www.reservoirprojects.com/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Reservoir Gallery</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, her deeply personal work-in-progress, These People Raised Me, an ode to her ancestors, but much more than that.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Naidoo, a self-proclaimed “creative thinker, tinkerer and artist”, is also the creative force behind the aesthetic of DM168, Daily Maverick’s own newspaper. Naidoo’s experience spans roles as art director in women’s magazines, branding, design, advertising and social impact before she ventured into the world of art.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">She explains that These People Raised Me was inspired by a 2016 family gathering in Durban, where one of her aunts handed each of them a copy of their grandfather’s shipslist. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“It’s a record of an Indenture Indian, with his/her indenture number and details like name, age, gender, caste, etc the British kept of every Indian sent to the colonies from 1834 to 1920. For me, it was something physical that connected me to my past,” she says. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In 2022, she took a sabbatical to dive deeper, determined to use the shipslist as a starting point in her quest to discover her true identity, an exploration to weave together the rich tapestry of her African roots and Indian ancestry.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The title, These People Raised Me, started “with a simple question, which had initially formed many years ago when I was in my garden one Joburg summer afternoon. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“How did I do what I did with my life when only a few generations before my grandparents were factory workers, porters, waiters? Over the last two years my process of fumbling my way through research, conversations, memories and photographs, my intuition, sheer luck and being able to bounce my thoughts on friends and family (mostly feels like my ancestors) led me to the working title ‘Thread’”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Daily Maverick spoke to Naidoo about her creative process.</span>\r\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><b>***</b></p>\r\n<b>Daily Maverick: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your work beautifully weaves together ancestry, memory and identity. What was the moment or realisation that led you to embark on this project?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>Kassie Naidoo:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Two things actually – where did my creativity come from and where and why diabetes? I was not looking for the typical nature versus nurture narrative but something deeper, cellular, intuitive. In retrospect, it is how artists work. This was a different approach for me from what I’d done for decades, finding a creative way to solve a marketing or business challenge. It meant stretching…</span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626050\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1913\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626050\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Township-Thatha-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1913\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>CN Naidoo or affectionately called Township Thatha by the grandchildren. A factory worker, waiter, cook and entrepreneur out of necessity. A pastry chef, sweet maker and most passionately, a musician in his spare time. He played the harmonium and was the lead singer of his band, called City Orchestra. All their vinyls were destroyed in the days of apartheid as the songs in Telugu were held in suspicion for stirring up emotions and possibly seeding ideas of liberation. Collage, thread and hand-screened on paper. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626049\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1920\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626049\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Town-Ava-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>The Strandloper: Naidoo or Town Ava. The hustle was real for my maternal great-grandmother, who raised more than 12 children, which meant doing what it took to put food on the table, from cooking lunch meals for courthouse staff to peddling handmade frames from shells picked up on the beach. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In your write-up, you speak of being “raised to move fluidly between your Indian ethnicity and African nationality”. How has this duality shaped your artistic voice? </span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> Durban in the 1970s and 80s meant growing up during apartheid so we were all being raised within entire suburbs of people just like ourselves. My Indian culture and traditions, like Diwali and Eid, Bollywood movies, clothes and community ecosystem gave me a sense of identity and belonging. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Nearly every home had a copy of </span><a href=\"https://ahkhanwholesale.co.za/products/indian-delights?variant=43545320882418&country=ZA&currency=ZAR&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_campaign=gs-2021-02-18&utm_source=google&utm_medium=smart_campaign&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlbW-BhCMARIsADnwasoJiSonNUFS8ofS_Wgiy0yNwqJYkExD2UogaOFdZzagHWO47AwPBqEaAkaiEALw_wcB\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zuleikha Mayat’s Indian Delights</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> so nearly all of us had tasted her sweetmeats, curries and samosas through her recipes our mothers and aunts followed, it connected us all. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I belonged not just to my parents but to all who fed me, scolded me or put a plaster on my grazed elbow. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">My mother spoke isiZulu, having learnt it as a child from her nanny, Anna, whom she loved dearly, so as a child I heard all the gossip from the neighbouring township of Umlazi carried to my mother by the mielies and nuts makotis my mum enticed to linger longer at our kitchen door with a cup of tea and a chat. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In the evenings, I stood at the far end of our front garden, greeting everyone who walked by, especially the isiZulu and Indian men walking by after a long day’s work, with “Sawubona Baba” and “Namaste Nana”. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I was enthralled by the textures and tailoring of their clothes, elongated earlobes, beading and goat fur bangles, rubber sandals, suits and hats. For me it was this wonderful cultural borrowing and intermingling of cultures through food, music and stories. </span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626047\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1926\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626047\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/The-Seamstress-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1926\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>‘My paternal grandmother showing my creative process.’ (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626045\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"2560\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626045\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Research-process-and-illustration-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2560\" height=\"1707\" /> <em>Research process. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Your work feels like a deeply intimate act of remembrance. What was the most emotional part of creating this project? </span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN:</b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> When I started my sabbatical, I embarked on a journey of understanding the wider context of how my ancestors got to these shores. I knew that I am a descendant of Indian Indenture, a fourth- or fifth-generation South African of Indian ethnicity, but I had so much to learn about the British empire’s post-slavery solution to cheap labour in global colonies from 1834 to 1920. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More than 1.6 million Indians crossed the oceans to serve out contracts in more than 21 colonies, South Africa being one of them. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I made a realisation that my ancestors had endured invasions, colonisation, famines, dehumanising treatment and apartheid. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The struggles of the South African Indian through my research in Durban’s museums, bookshops and archives led me to ask my living relatives about their stories. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I trolled through photo albums and newspaper cuttings that some had kept, and through piecing together these threads I discovered parts of myself, I recognised myself and started to understand that we are not just blood and bones. We carry within us cellular memory, trauma triggers, inherited genius and personality traits are not just ours but that of the collective too. </span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626043\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1920\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626043\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Quick-sketch-indenture-man-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A quick pencil and watercolour sketch I did during my research process while paging through a book. I wondered who he was and what may have become of him. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626042\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1920\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626042\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Lace-and-sequins-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A close-up of my great-grandmother. Looking at her clothes, I assume she was a widow when the photograph was taken, as she is wearing all white. I wanted to add some glamour to her outfit, so I added a lace and sequined skirt. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ancestry can be both a source of strength and weight. Did working on this project shift the way you see your own place in your family’s lineage?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Absolutely. My internal narrative changed so many times through this process over time. The “Man̄ci Biḍḍa” (good child) piece in particular carries both the strength and weight of what has defined me and my life in ways unknown until I marked on that piece. It was a term of endearment my maternal grandmother used in reference to me. The burden of being good in every decision, action and thought. This was not just an acknowledgment of my inherent goodness but a socialising of my future behaviour. A good child listens and does not defy the social structure of the family and community. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If your ancestors could see this project, what do you hope they would feel or say?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I hope they would feel seen, their stories told, even if only in fragments from fading memories and dusty photographs embellished by imagination and creative licence. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I hope they feel that somehow for future generations I’ve attempted to bring them back, make their existence material. They were once people with dreams, desires, challenges, disappointments and heartbreak, but their descendants also loved and respected them. I exist because of them and I am grateful for having been raised by them. </span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626040\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1920\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626040\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/detail-of-research-process-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>From Left: Vasun (aunt), Vijarl (aunt), Sushilla (mother) Naidoo, Radha Katharoyan (aunt) and Peggie (maternal cousin). 1982 (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626039\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1834\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626039\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Detail-of-Manci-Bidda-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1834\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>A close-up of the piece, Man̄ci Biḍḍa, showing the beading, embroidery and hand-painted words on a cotton dhoti with my maternal grandmother’s face printed onto the fabric. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626035\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1580\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626035\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/22Good-Child22-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1580\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>‘Man̄ci biḍḍa’ was a term of endearment my maternal grandmother used. A Telugu phrase meaning ‘good child’. Did I learn this at my aya’s knee, on her hip or while she combed my waist-length hair? Was it a description or a suggestion? Handpainted, beaded and embroidered onto a cotton ‘dhothi’ in Telugu script. The bottom sari was hand-embroidered by my grandmother about five decades ago, making the installation a collaborative one from beyond. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_2626037\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"1920\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-2626037\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/Creative-Process-scaled.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1920\" height=\"2560\" /> <em>An image transfer of my maternal grandfather (top), his father’s shipslist. Bottom right: My maternal great-grandparents. Bottom left: My grandfather and his band. (Photo: Courtesy of the artist)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which living person do you most admire?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In my family, I’d say my aunts (my mother’s sisters) who shaped a major part of my early life – each one of them has given me gifts. My oldest aunt taught me about being a leader, the second one about being philosophical and kind; my youngest aunt, who I’m still quite close to, that having an open mind, a joyful attitude and listening to great music can keep you forever young. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What is a trait you inherited from your ancestors that you are most proud of?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A stubborn determination to do the right thing when all around me there may be dissenting voices. Sometimes that defiance is silence, other times it roars, sometimes it’s coming forward to lead with grace and integrity. </span>\r\n\r\n<b>DM: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you could have a conversation with any historical figure from your ancestry, who would it be and what would you ask them?</span>\r\n\r\n<b>KN: </b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think I would like to sit in a circle on the earth and speak with many of them. I’d love to hear their stories, their moments of weakness, of love and loss, their fears and their deepest secrets. Did they pray for their children and their children’s children? Am I okay and was all that raising from generation to generation bearing fruit? </span><b>DM</b>\r\n\r\n<i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">This interview has been edited for clarity and publication.</span></i>",
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