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While “we definitely feel a positive attitude towards Ukraine”, there were “not enough very specific, concrete steps which would demonstrate some new common projects between Ukraine and African nations”.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kuleba hastened to add that he was not saying “everything is broken and nothing is working, because diplomacy takes time”.</span>\r\n<blockquote>If Ukraine reached an agreement with an African nation that it would vote for Ukraine on a particular resolution in the United Nations, for example, this did not mean that country would vote for Ukraine on future resolutions on the same issue.</blockquote>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He said relations were at a very early stage where Ukraine had made “quite a significant political investment” and had identified subjects and themes of the projects that could link Ukraine and African nations more closely. 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They talked a lot and that was a sort of informal exchange. And they agreed some agreements which have already been implemented or started to be implemented.”</span>\r\n<blockquote><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The question is: how far we can go in our bilateral relations, keeping in mind South Africa has its own relations with Russia, it’s part of BRICS. </span></blockquote>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He did not elaborate on the agreements but Zelensky told African journalists on Tuesday that after their meeting, Ramaphosa had sent his national security adviser, Sydney Mufamadi, to participate in Ukraine’s peace forum initiative. Ramaphosa also went on to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in St Petersburg and urged him to return children abducted from Ukraine, to exchange prisoners of war and to resume Russia’s participation in the Black Sea Grain Initiative, through which Russia had lifted its naval blockade on Ukraine’s seaports to allow it to export grain to world markets, including in Africa. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“So, from both our side and from President Ramaphosa… in terms of agreements reached during that meeting, we see the effective appearance of this reciprocity principle,” said Kuleba. 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He visited Pretoria last week and appeared to have a good meeting with his counterpart, Naledi Pandor.</span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_1735650\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"720\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-1735650\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/DSC_1606.jpg\" alt=\"Ukraine Africa\" width=\"720\" height=\"305\" /> <em>Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky welcomes the delegation of African heads of state and government officials representing the African peace mission to Ukraine and Russia. (Photo: Kopano Tlape / GCIS)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">With South Africa “the turning point was the visit of President Cyril Ramaphosa as part of this African leaders group to Ukraine. And the critical point that brought relations to a new track was that concluding dinner when the presidents were sitting at the same table.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Only the presidents were at the table and President Ramaphosa sat next to President Zelensky. They talked a lot and that was a sort of informal exchange. And they agreed some agreements which have already been implemented or started to be implemented.”</span>\r\n<blockquote><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The question is: how far we can go in our bilateral relations, keeping in mind South Africa has its own relations with Russia, it’s part of BRICS. </span></blockquote>\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He did not elaborate on the agreements but Zelensky told African journalists on Tuesday that after their meeting, Ramaphosa had sent his national security adviser, Sydney Mufamadi, to participate in Ukraine’s peace forum initiative. Ramaphosa also went on to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin in St Petersburg and urged him to return children abducted from Ukraine, to exchange prisoners of war and to resume Russia’s participation in the Black Sea Grain Initiative, through which Russia had lifted its naval blockade on Ukraine’s seaports to allow it to export grain to world markets, including in Africa. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“So, from both our side and from President Ramaphosa… in terms of agreements reached during that meeting, we see the effective appearance of this reciprocity principle,” said Kuleba. The question is: how far we can go in our bilateral relations, keeping in mind South Africa has its own relations with Russia, it’s part of BRICS.”</span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_1735649\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"720\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-1735649\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/DSC_1584.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"425\" /> <em>President Volodymyr Zelensky welcomes President Cyril Ramaphosa and delegates of the African peace mission to Ukraine on 16 June 2023. (Photo: Kopano Tlape / GCIS)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_1733888\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"720\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-1733888\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/11544192.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"422\" /> <em>Russian President Vladimir Putin greets President Cyril Ramaphosa during a meeting with a delegation of African leaders on the sidelines of the St Petersburg International Economic Forum on 17 June 2023. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Evgeny Byatov / Host Photo Agency / Ria Novosti / Sputnik)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">But, “I believe we have a big space for manoeuvres”, he added, noting that he had discussed with Pandor how far the two countries could advance their relations and what else they could do.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He offered relations with South Africa as a “diplomatic example”, describing how they had progressed “from the cool, cold and very distant ones to the very first contacts, presidential exchange and my telephone talk and my meeting with the foreign minister and transition to the new quality of these relations” after Ramaphosa’s dinner meeting with Zelensky. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“But these are relations between states, it’s like relations between humans,” Kuleba said. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“In order to maintain friendship, love, you have to do it every day, you have to talk, you have to support, you have to hear each other, you have to be next to your partner. That’s why I’m speaking about the importance of the visits of African presidents, colleagues, foreign ministers to Ukraine, because this is the best place to change your position if that was a neutral or negative position.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In his briefing with the African journalists, Zelensky said Ramaphosa and the other leaders of the African peace mission in June had arrived in Kyiv with mixed emotions and information about the war but had left with a changed understanding.</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Referring to Ramaphosa specifically, he said they had spoken about Ukraine’s peace formula – which calls for Russia’s complete withdrawal from Ukrainian territory – and “he understood it. He understood the details of it.”</span>\r\n\r\n[caption id=\"attachment_1732280\" align=\"alignnone\" width=\"720\"]<img class=\"size-full wp-image-1732280\" src=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Queenin-SA-Russia-peace-mission3-2.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"720\" height=\"458\" /> <em>President Cyril Ramaphosa and other African heads of state taking part in the African peace mission to Ukraine and Russia. (Photo: GCIS)</em>[/caption]\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">After that, Mufamadi had attended the first meeting, in Copenhagen, of Ukraine’s peace formula process. “And this is already fact: we are closer to each other.”</span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zelensky said that when African leaders then left to meet Putin they “already were charged with the real facts. And this helped them to debate and not just listen one more time how they are being told disinformation… This is what is very important.”</span>\r\n\r\n<b>Read more in Daily Maverick: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/war-in-ukraine/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">War in Ukraine</span></a>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Zelensky said he had told the African leaders that he was not going to try to change their opinions, but just give them information so that they changed their own minds. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He said he would like to organise a meeting with African leaders, perhaps through the African Union, to discuss how to achieve stability in the world and peace in Ukraine. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Kuleba said a Ukraine-Africa summit was still on Ukraine’s agenda and his government was working on it. </span>\r\n\r\n<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ukraine already has embassies in Algeria, Angola, Ethiopia, Egypt, Kenya, Libya, Morocco, Nigeria, South Africa, Senegal and Tunisia. It is planning to open embassies soon in Cote d’Ivoire, Democratic Republic of Congo, Mozambique, Sudan, Tanzania, Botswana, Mauritania, Cameroon and Rwanda. Officials said more could follow, depending on the feedback. </span><b>DM</b>\r\n\r\n<i>Peter Fabricius is in Ukraine on a fact-finding mission for African journalists that is sponsored by the Ukrainian government.</i>",
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